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Experimental Philosophy of Language?

Posted by dcamasta on November 9, 2008

Some time ago, I found this article from E. Machery (et. al) about the use of “experiments” in philosophy of language. Specifically, the article criticize two arguments given by Kripke in N&N against the descriptivist theory of reference and in favor on the referentialist theory: the Godel argument and Jonah argument. For this blog let’s stick with the Godel argument only. I think there is no need to introduce descriptivism and referentialism here; but maybe it might be useful to review the Godel argument as stated by Kripke.

Suppose that Godel was not in fact the author of [Godel’s] theorem. A man called ‘Schmidt’ (…) actually did the work in question. His friend Godel somehow got hold of the manuscript and it was thereafter attributed to Godel. On the [descriptivist] view in question, then, when our ordinary man uses the name ‘Godel’, he really means to refer to Schmidt, because Schmidt is the unique person satisfying the description ‘the man who discovered the incompleteness of arithmetic’. (…) But it seems we are not. We simply are not. [p. B4 of the linked article and 83-84 of N&N]

The authors of the article presented the Godel argument to 41 undergraduate students from the University of Hong Kong (an English speaking university) and to 31 undergraduate from Rutgers university (you can find the details in the article, p. B6), asking them the following question:

Suppose that John has learned in college that Godel is the author of the Godel’s theorem but that, afterwards, he discovered that Godel in fact stole the theorem from his friend Schmidt; and suppose also that John only knows about Godel that he is the discoverer of Godel’s theorem. When John says “Godel”, he is talking about:

1, the person who really discovered the incompleteness of arithmetic? or

2. the person who got hold of the manuscript and claimed credit for the work?

According to Kripke, the majority of the students should have chosen 2.

Surprisingly, while 22/31 Rutgers’ students chose 2 (according to Kripke’s prevision), 23/41 Chinese students (more than half) chose 1. The authors’ conclusion is that semantic intuitions vary from culture to culture and that the accordance with the “shared intuitions” does not really prove anything if the relevant intuitions are just pretended to be shared.

All the crucial arguments in N&N rest on the accordance with speakers’ intuitions, in particular the arguments in favor of:

1) essentialism;

2) the causal theory of reference;

3) the rigidity of English names;

Which constitute the bone of Kripke’s general account of language and of his metaphysics. No empirical proof is given for supporting the claim that the intuitions to which 1, 2, 3 are in accordance with are really shared.

Of course, given the result of the experiment we are not entitled to conclude that referentialism is false: other experiments may produce different results, the problem might be related to the formulation of the Godel example, etc. What the experiment shows is that one of the premise of the Godel argument (speakers would normally refer to the Godel when uttering “Godel”) is just assumed to be true, without any justification.

Empirical claims require empirical proofs, we could say. Like Kripke, the vast majority of philosophers does not offer this kind of proof. On the other hand, it seems that experiments are not really part of philosophy: as Williamson said “If anything can be pursued in an armchair, philosophy can” (this quote is referred to in the article too).

It seems to me there are two ways out of the dilemma:

a) go experimental, i.e. move away from armchair and make experiments

b) stay in the armchair and drop all the arguments which require empirical proofs.

It might be required to discard entire areas of research if the option (b) is chosen. For example, a theory of meaning in the sense of Dummett (a theory that explain how speakers understand linguistic expressions) would be dropped out of philosophy. On the other hand, go for (a) requires a revision of the very idea of philosophy – or, at least, of the idea of philosophy expressed in the quote from Williamson

The most interesting aspect is that it seems there are no ways out of the dilemma; i.e., I see no options apart from (a) and (b). So, philosophers really needs to choose one of the two.

What do you think about this? Are there other relevant options? And if not, you think philophers should stay in the armchair?

9 Responses to “Experimental Philosophy of Language?”

  1. Interesting post, but it seems to me that the choice between a and b is artificial. Why not being a pluralist about the methodology of philosophy?

    There is a fair number of arguments in philosophy that *obviously* rely on empirical premises, and, if one takes seriously these arguments (as one should), it is important to evaluate their premises empirically. Others arguments don’t hang on empirical premises at all, and require a different methodology

    I believe that the real issue is in fact a bit different. The real issue bears on whether the arguments discussed by experimental philosophers (e.g., Kripke’s argument for the causal-historical theory of reference, arguments about the nature of knowledge, arguments about free will) are empirical, and if they are, what their empirical premises are.

    About my paper (Machery et al. 2004), I should mention that several replies have been written: see http://www.pitt.edu/~machery/responses.html.

    Edouard

  2. Carlo said

    I agree with Edouard that we can be pluralist in philosphy, but I don’t agree with what is the real issue.The problem is how much experiments can proof or disproof theories.
    Sometimes the experiments are given in a form which presuppose some other theory. The different ways to check the 4 cards problem is an example on which to think about. The topic – and the example given by Domenico above – was discussed by Genoveva Marti in her talk at Krakow Conference this year (she claims that the experiment does not touch the theory od direct reference). I’ll check also her paper if I can, to compare with the several replies to Edouard M.

  3. Carlo said

    Oh, yes, the paper by Genoveva is in the list on semantic intuitions given by Edouard; by the way there is also an old paper by Joelle Proust which deals with the topic:
    http://jeannicod.ccsd.cnrs.fr/index.php?halsid=d1562f7712ac811a3cf3c2e3ee112003&view_this_doc=ijn_00000068&version=1

    It seems this topic is lightly connected with the general topic of context dependent truth: is the truth of a claim dependent on the context of (different) semantic intuitions (which are dependent of more general pattern of use)?

  4. dcamasta said

    @ Edouard & Carlo

    I really see no rooms for a pluralist position here. Because, what a pluralist should say?

    x) I use experiments only when they are needed (i.e. in evaluating arguments with empirical premises)

    y) I claim that arguments with empirical premises can be evaluated both using experiments and with armchair-speculation.

    I would not call (x) a pluralist but an experimental philosopher, one who would chose option (b) in the blog. on the other hand, (y) seems to be a confused philosopher, who doesn’t really understand the experimentalist claim or doesn’t take it seriously. If we discard (y)’s position, I don’t see much rooms for pluralism here.

    On the other hand, there are rooms for armchair philosophy: it seems to me that an armchair philosopher might reasonably claim that we should drop every single argument with empirical premises out of philosophy. So, the original dilemma remains.

    Edouard:
    > I believe that the real issue is [...]

    Sticking on Kripke, and assuming that there are empirical premises in his arguments in N&N (it seems to me that clearly there are), it is possible for an armchair-philosopher to reformulate them without the empirical premises?

    While an armchair philosopher can reasonably claim that experimental philosophy isn’t really philosophy, he would be in much trouble in reformulating Kripke’s arguments free of empirical premises. So I was thinking, are there ways for armchair philosophers to recover Kripke’s arguments? Generally speaking, how much philosophy can philosophers make without experiments? This seems also a relevant point to me.

    Thanks for the link! I wasn’t aware of the existence of some of the papers listed there.

  5. Epi said

    Excuse me, I’m not a specialist on the field!
    At first glance, I agree with Domenico, but I guess we could take another road: some theories, in philosophy, are normative. I use ‘normative’ in the same sense in which a mathematical theory is normative. Set theory doesn’t say that in our world there are sets. It says that if there are sets, they have to exhibit certain properties.
    Well, maybe Kripke is saying: c’mon, buy my theory. It’s pretty nice, it works, and I think it could fits good ‘our’ language. What ‘our’ means here is something obscure indeed. So I agree with Domenico. But I think Kripke’s philosophical work in N$N wasn’t to find something that fits our language, but to design a theory.
    So, I guess we’ll be able to answer to Domenico when we’ll be able to decide what we want to call, say, ‘philosophy of language’: somebody would please himself with theory design, but some would not. If I was of the first type, I’d think that experimental philosophy is interesting (is a way to test the practical utility of our theories), but it’s not philosophy.
    Otherwise, if I’d think that the philosopher must find the correct description of real world, I have to naturalize (and ‘experimentalize’ :-) ) my philosophy.

  6. carlopenco said

    If we agree with Epi that philosophers suggest normative theories we may (1) work on these theories (are they coherent…?) or (2) check their psychological or sociological plausibility, or (3) discuss the intuitions behind the theories, instead of assuming them. This means to be pluralistic: you are not obliged to do all the three aspects of the job:) [division of philosophical labour]. It might be that, although intuitions are wrong and the theory is not psychological plausible, still the theory might be a wonderful theory to be developed for its own sake.
    [Genoveva claims that Machery experiment did not prove anything against speakers' (Kripke's) intuitions, but smthing about speakers'theories; in principle she did not say that the idea of making experiments is wrong]
    Making experiments discussing philosophical theories is smthing tricky, because normally experiment presuppose some (hidden) theory; check the discussion on the 4 cards problem!

  7. dcamasta said

    @ Carlo, about Martì’s paper

    I disagree with Martì and it seems to me that she misses an important point. As far as I understand it, experimental philosophy claims that when empirical premises are used, they have to be supported via empirical proofs. Of course a specific experiment (like the one described in the blog) can be questioned: maybe they asked the wrong questions, maybe they should have chosen different subjects, etc.

    But, the point is not the specific experiment, the point is that Kripke (and most philosophers) never provide proofs for the empirical premises they use.

    It might turns out that the experiment made by Machery et. al. is completely wrong, but still we will be left with some arguments (Kripke’s) based on hypothesis about empirical facts that have not been proved in any way.

    About the division of work,

    in your hypoteshis, theories at level 1 should not make any claim about what is intuitive if these claims have not been “checked” at level 3. So, for example, Kripke’s arguments in favor of essentialism, rigid designation and referentialism have to be revised, because they are based exactly on the kind of claim that needs to be checked at level three.

    So your hypotesis, it seems to me, is still in accordance with the experimentalist proposal, and does not count as a pluralist position.

    Maybe the problem here is that usually the three levels you described are deeply interrelated, and it is impossible to consider them in isolation. This seems to be the case for Kripke’s theories.

  8. carlopenco said

    It seems to me that philosophy begins saying: let us assume that p. Maybe p is wrong, but we may assume it and see what follows. Experimental philosophy deals with checking what’s wrong in the assumptions. It is welcome, useful, but unecessary. Martì says what you say; she even suggests an experiment! The main problem is on which ground you make experiments. Probably on the ground of some premiss, maybe empirical premiss: circle:)
    Take the 4 cards experiment: (http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Wason's_Four-card_Task) was designed to test the way people think (to show they do NOT think logically). It worked and everybody was convinced that the experiment proved that people do not think logically. Then other people repeated the experiment with other data. People responded correctly. Then it became clear that the experiment maybe had no real impact on what it wanted to prove, and it was used just to reflect the intuition of the authors. This does not mean that experiments are useless; on the contrary; but normally they presuppose something, and sometimes they presuppose what they want to prove. Sometimes you need a bootstrap to start; experiments may come only later, if you wish.

  9. dcamasta said

    > It seems to me that philosophy begins saying:
    > let us assume that p

    In my opinion this is not the case in Kripke and many other philosophers. Kripke does not say “assuming that essential properties are recognized by speakers, we can conclude that essentialism makes sense” but “speakers recognize essential properties, so essentialism makes sense”. Similarly for other arguments. If you base his arguments on hypothesis, they lose much of their strength.

    I think that philosophy should proceed as you say, but it seems to me that it doesn’t.

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